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of a deal in order to avoid going over the fiscal cliff. i'm not sure what his political point there but you substantialively --. adam: i have to go to scott. you get 20 seconds, then i'm giving kim because she is the small business owner last word. scott, any words of advice? they have to do something. they haven't done it yet. >> i go up and stock up on studebakers and yugos. watch out for the stock market here in 2013. a lot of things at play aside from a slowing economy. i think it will be really bum , man. adam: kim, you get the last word. what would you say to congress, not the president but congress, what they should do later tonight and this week? >> first off i would have made a decision a long time ago. we had two years to this problem. this problem should have been solved months ago. politicking should have been set aside. we should have got something done. people should not have gone home for thanksgiving. i don't understand if they're representing us as business owners why they can't act like us and make decisions like us. we have to do it every single day. adam: just to set the
in the next few hours to try to scrape out a fiscal cliff deal but hope is fading fast. if that weren't bad enough, the treasury now says the u.s. will hit the debt ceiling on new year's eve. will this be a game-changer for reaching a deal? >>> plus as if the fiscal cliff wasn't bad enough, now critical ports across the u.s. could be brought to a standstill starting this weekend. we'll explain how a looming union worker strike could sink businesses across the united states. >>> the major sports leagues do a touchdown dance after a federal judge's ruling. their lawsuit to spike sports gambling in new jersey get as crucial green light but new jersey isn't taking it sitting down. details how that state is fighting back and preparing to give vegas a run for its money. even when they say it's not, it's always about money adam: thank you for joining us. we want to look first at the day's market headlines. stocks slid for the 30 straight session. mediocre holiday seas and deadlock over fiscal cliff gave investors little to get excited about. the dow fell 24 points. the so-called fear index or the
as lawmakers struggle to hammer out a deal on the fiscal cliff. peter barnes believes the president will announce a deal. we will bring you his comments live. it is an early close on the trading day. sandra smith is in the pits where traders are watching every development in washington. she joins us now with today's trade and how commodities are faring. sandra: we just had financial commodities close for the day. the treasury pits just closed minutes ago. it was an interesting close to watch. as you put up the board, treasuries saw their first loss in four trading days. another sign that these markets are predicting some sort of deal to get down by the end of the day. we are not seeing investors slinging. the yield on the ten year was the lowest close on record. certainly a big sign coming from those markets. they closed at the top of the hour. the dow, s&p and nasdaq futures closing here in chicago. just moments away from that. the electronic trading of all of these products will continue and have their mourner hundred normal trading hours of the day. we are watching gold prices. t
. the senate convened today for emergency session to deal with the fiscal cliff. the house has announced plans to reconvene on sunday. both senate majority leader harry reid and senate minority leader mitch mcconnell spoke a short time ago and neither sounds hopeful of fiscal cliff deal will be made before the deadline. so at this point is there any chance the united states can avoid taking a fiscal cliff dive? joining me for more is republican senator john hoeven of north dakota. and very simply, sir, we appreciate you being here but is harry reid right? are we going off the cliff? >> well, adam i hope he is not right. at this point president obama indicated he is going to call and talk to our leader, mitch mcconnell, senator mcconnell and make a proposal. we're very interested to see what that proposal is. we put revenues on the table. there needs to be some savings. and i believe we can get a deal so let's go. adam: what will the do look like? the president at one point actually upped what he was willing to tax. he wants taxes. originally saying on incomes of 250,000 and up. then he went to
at all. all eyes on the approaching fiscal cliff with just under eight hours left to make a deal. we've got you covered from capitol hill, we're going to be speaking live with congressmen from both sides of the aisle, representative tim hulz camp, mick mulvaney and dennis kucinich. david: also wilbur ross, chairman and ceo of -- [inaudible] and the former chairman of the white house council of economic advisers. i tell you, we get the prime guests right here. ed lazear says tax hikes hurt growth. find out just how much. liz: rich edson live on capitol hill with the very latest on the fiscal cliff countdown. larry shover live in the pits of the cme, and what action we saw, wow, and we've got more than $100 billion worth of advice from our market panel, bill greiner and sandy lincoln. but first, let's talk to rich edson and, rich, you know, you're looking at a situation at the moment where you have the president saying we're close, but no deal. you have senator mitch mcconnell on the republican side saying close, but no deal. leads me to ask, what about joe biden? our vice president? h
and are going to to getting together on the house floor and sign a deal. no fiscal cliff. >> we have to work it out. it's bad for the country if we don't. i've talked to a number of friends from bothides of the aisle and we are hopeful it gets worked out. >> how can you work itut when the president himself, according to the "wall street journal" said -- speaker boehner came up with $800 billion and he said that doesn't cnt. >> it's clear we see what the problem is. the problem is, as the speaker indicated before we broke, he thought he had votes. so his plan b. the speaker said, and the majority leader said, i have the votes. we were on the floor of the house waiting for the vote, waiting to see what took place. then there was word there would be no more votes, that the speaker didn't have the votes. i talked to number of colleagues who were upset with their colleagues to didn't support the speaker. >> you're right. the whip or whoever counts the vote should never have suggested the vote. back to plan b. if you look at plan b, itas the 2010 senator schumer plan who said tax people making ove
something about fiscal cliff, and then we'll move on that news, but traders are saying if we get a deal done, we'll see the market take off. we have not seen a santa claus rally this december, unfortunately, and, in fact, the nasdaq lower. stocks lower, by the way. here's the new york stock exchange, three stocks trading down for every one trading up. another thing trading up a the vix index. it's 20.18. the vix has traded below the two decade average, and that's not happened this month. we broke that trend. we have an uptick in the vix now. adam, back to you. adam: the question of the day, are we closing in on the deadline and potential plan to avert the fiscal cliff, about this afternoon's meeting between the leaders, and expectations between a deal are not running as high as they were back in november. remember this? >> i believe we can do this, avert the fiscal cliff that is right in front of us today. >> this is not something we are going to wait until the last day of december to get it done. adam. adam: proof words are cheap. it's the end of diecious, and absolutely nothing was done. w
is giving up his vacation takes toe a fiscal cliff deal, but is there any room for negotiation? let's talk about it a little bit. >> the president is heading back to washington to attempt a last-ditch effort with speaker boehner to forge some compromise to avert a fiscal cliff which will kick in in six days if nothing isone done. those are the headlines are we talking about is cutting his vacation short in tha and that l well and good. is there anything that can be done because they really seem to be at an impasse before christmms, the republicans in the houseors, imploded and a ve, very tight spot and i suspect if there is to be a deal it'll be a pretty on powering one for all involved. eric: john boehner, putting it up on the screen. $800 billion in tax revenue on the table, allegedly the table, allegedly said you get nothing for free. >> there were a couple of eye-opening quotes. went through the timeline of how went through the timeline of how boehner and the president and that was an big one. boehner print revenues on the table andd the president saying that is what i get out of the
to offer a fiscal cliff deal, perhaps a scaled back proposal, but, still, no indication that's going to happen this afternoon. the senate is in session. the house returns sunday. they will take a vote sunday night on another piece of legislation. the senate has been working on other legislation, not related to the fiscal cliff, and that has some folks in washington speculating this afternoon's meeting in the white house is nothing but show. the one senior democrat says it is a serious effort. >> well, this is not for show, but a last ditch effort by the president to bring the congressional leaders together to try to get at least a small package, small deal together before the new year to avoid some of the tax parts of the fiscal cliff and the deal with some of the unemployment issues. >> now, that deal, the small deal that the congressman is talking about, speculation perhaps that includes a tax rate tax increase for families earning $500,000 a year, mid way point almost between what democrats and republicans had in the opening offer. perhaps up employment extension and other spendin
was no movement toward a fiscal cliff deal more in the action in the house or senate. the responsibility now to avoid massive taxes and draconian spending cuts resting squarely on the president. fox news chief white house correspondent ed henry with our report. >> just as our economy is really starting to recover and starting to see optimisticsigns and we have seen actually some upside to from a whole range of areas, including two from including housing, now is not the time for more self-inflicted wounds , seven not the estimate from washington. lou: president obama's top advisers were quick to dump on the speaker come -- declaring he is backed into a corner. >> they wet from plan b to plan seal later. the fact that they could not even plan -- pass that was an embarrassment. >> in private the president's advisers admit they are bit more apprehensive firmly believing mr. obama has the upper end of the public. if the market takes the hit to the commander-in-chief we will still face his share of heat for washington this function to may point republicans are hammering. >> the u.s. economy is est
. it is another down day for the marquette as washington prepares for another round of fiscal cliff dealing tomorrow. right now the dow down 33 points at 1,105. >>> the u.s. government may reportedly expand its mortgage refinancing program to include borrowers to include mortgages not backed by freddie mac and fannie mae. the "wall street journal" reporting that the refi program under consideration could consider underwater borrowers who owe more than they're worth. that is about 11 million homes. >>> toyota could overtake general motors and reclaim the title of the world's biggest carmaker for 2012. the japanese automaker estimate worldwide sales are up 22% this year from 2011 when a massive earthquake and tsunami and severe floods in thailand disrupted parts supplies and sales. that's the latest from fox business, giving you the power to profit >> 34 christmas tornados hit the south. liz art conditions in the midwest. wicked weather all wreaking havoc on travelers the day after christmas. more than 450 flights have been canceled, 500 delayed. not good news. is it going to improve? let's h
we got the fiscal cliff. president obama speaking moments ago, saying that maybe some time off will give both parties perspective to drink some eggnog, sing some careless, maybe reached the fiscal cliff deal. how speaker john boehner is doing damage control on their plan b mess. before heading out for the holidays. even as americans are facing more than $500 billion in tax hikes coming on january 1. with more on this, we have peter barnes, fox business sr. washington correspondent. what did the president have to say moments ago? >> john boehner did say that this would be a cooling off period. maybe they would have some time to reflect here. the president said that he did speak on the phone to speaker john boehner this afternoon. he also had majority leader harry reid to avoid the fiscal cliff and figure out a passport. he said he is ready and willing to try to get a compromise package done. all at once or stuff like that. but we'll have to wait until after the holiday. the president planning to hold out for the holidays, and congress is out for the holidays. the president sayin
. the fiscal cliff's blame itak all onin the class. is it too late for a deal? stick with us.ot is computer-anid coffee tastes dreadful. geico. 15 minutes could save you 15 % or more on car insurance. someone get me a latte will ya, please? :00 eastern, sharp sell-off underway on concerned we are about to tumble of the fiscal cliff, not a good sign from washington. good afternoon from lori rothman. tracy: no deal in sight. stock trading near their lowest level of the day with five days until the fiscal cliff, we hit it, we had done. washington bureau chief is going to tell us the only way he sees a deal getting done. lori: we are running against the debt ceiling again. and we just raise that? we are borrowing again. new mixed signals on the economy. jobless claims fell to a 5-year low but consumer confidence tumbled as well. the director of economic policy senior fellow kevin hasic will be joining us. tracy: the northeast digging out for several inches of snow and more is on the way. will it be at wet blanket for retailers this critical shopping weekend? time for stocks as we do every 15 m
. anybody in any authorities says anything about the likelihood or otherwise of a fiscal cliff deal you will see the market react. it happened earlier this morning. there was a report that maybe these talks between mitch mcconnell and vice-president biden were making some progress. on that, up went the futures market to show a gain of 80 points for the dow. we're back to showing a gain of 50 or 70 points. watch for head lines, for leaks, for any sound bites that might appear on any news program anywhere and you will have some kind of market reaction. as we countdown to the end of this fiscal cliff, i'm going to call it a debacle because that's exactly what it is. even if we get a very, very narrow deal, whoop-de-doo, we have a debt ceiling problem and amt taxes, government spending, all of those problems outstanding, nothing done. the dow jones industrial average is not done up for the opening bell, it's down, we're 42 points, 48 points going down as of right now. 50 points lower. what did you give, what did you get for christmas this year? chances are, a computer tablet maybe? accordin
as lawmakers continue to scramble to get a fiscal cliff deal done. rich edson has the latest. rich: they are considering legislation here in the senate today. president obama says he called to talk to congressional leaders, democrats and republicans, last evening. there is no progress here to report. president obama put it all on the house. >> they are operating without the house of representatives. it is being operated with a dictatorship of the speaker, not allowing the vast majority to get what they want. if the 250 would be brought up, it would pass overwhelmingly speaking that 250 he is discussing that would keep tax rates where they are for income amount for less than $250,000 increased those earning more. house speaker says senator reed should talk less and legislate more. senate democrats have not. they want to extend all the current tax rates and avoid some of the spending cuts. democrats are on their opening offer. they basically have not moved anywhere. there is less than a week to go. >> senator reid talking about a less than $250,000 limit. speaking right. exactly. liz
the fiscal cliff. still without a solid deal in place, but both the president and mitch mcconnell, the senator on the republican side, say we're close. up next, allison deans shows you what to invest in whether we have a deal or whether we fall over that edge. ♪ liz: talk about a cliffhanger, with just minutes left in the trading day, the nation's toes clinging like this, like kilroy, right? over the edge of the fiscal cliff. no deal written in stones, but the markets still believe -- 139 points for the dow jones industrials -- that there may be some type of deal. join us now, allison deans, the senior adviser at varick asset management. we brought you in because you're so good at this kind of stuff, and we thought what we should invest in there is no deal or if there is a deal. what's your mind telling you? >> i think there will be a deal. i think if it doesn't happen tonight, they'll exing tend -- extend some of the benefits, and my sense is it'll be a compromise for both parties. it's just a shame they wait until the very last minute waiting to see what will happen. li
celebrex. for a body in motion. stuart: in the absence of the likelihood of a fiscal cliff deal the dow is down 88 points sitting right at 13,000. we're tired of talking about the negotiations and the political in-fighting on the fiscal cliff issue. we want to know what happens to our money if we go flat-out over it. which seems likely. joining us is a certified financial planner and he's got the numbers for us. go through this one at a time. go flat out, a cliff dive, what happens to the income taxes i pay? >> number one on income taxes, six brackets,10%, 35%. now five brackets, 15% to 39.%. everybody to currently pays federal income tax will come january pay more. >> pay more tax absolutely. stuart: next one, estate taxes. >> probably one of most unfair taxes there are, but estate taxes are going up. currently 35%, going up as high as 55%, but that's not the only problem. you have exemption amounts that in 2012 were 5 million dollars a person. portability meant that you could have portable, if your spouse died 10 million exemption, going to 1 million dollar exemption, no portability.
are trying to negotiate a scaled-down debt deal to avoid some of the fiscal cliff and take other major decisions on taxes and spending to the future. again, in an afternoon white house meeting president obama pitch a debt plan he had outlined a week ago, prevent a tax increase for income of less than to an effective thousand dollars per year and extend long-term unemployment benefits. senate leaders are using that framework to try to craft a proposal to pass both houses of congress. aides say it would likely increase the threshold for tax increases, reversing massive pay cut from medicare doctors, and elections of millions of americans to avoid paying the alternative minimum tax. an increase in the debt ceiling is not part ofhe discussion. that is significant development r house republicans who won any increase in the borrowing limit it accompanied by an equal amount in spending cuts taking the debt ceiling of the table making it much easier for the scaled-down version to be negotiated. from here senate leaders will try to secure an agreement by sunday morning. if so, democrats and rep
no deal? >> it is, and we're talking about the fiscal cliff. we are really dealing with is the fiscal fraud. we fell f the cliff along time ago. we are in the best, $16 trillion in debt. a debt our children and grandchildren will never be able to pay off, a total fraud, not dealing with spending, and unle they do we are not going to fix the problems is a country is facing. tom: same point, i mean, is this something that will start tuesday or have businesses and individuals already started be having different because of the fact that this whole process was coming up in addition to what the congressman was talking about? >> certainly was tree has been reacting to this, but i very much disagree about the causes. that is when we extended tax cuts do so wealthy individuals in 2001 and three did not need themnd then we saw an incredible decrease in revenue as a result of wall street tanking our economy in the 2008 economic downturn. it's not an issue so much of expanding -- expanded spending. spending is not a control. what is happening is revenue has declined. we need to not only increase
a fiscal cliff deal until late january, but the possible market turmoil to follow could create a stock buying opportunity. joining me now, global financial services president and portfolio manager. of course you'll see the glass half full on this one. yet been saying this since november, to be fair. >> taking the position that we don't think the politicians are really going to get anything done until the backs of firmly against the wall which will be after the first pay cycle of the new year. that's why we are expecting third week of january, but this is also an opportunity. we have to recognize that. if you look at the market today, just imagine. if you pull 20 investment professionals yesterday we probably would have said markets are going to be down today. better than expected economic news. cheryl: is trying to, but they're is a lot -- one of the best performing sectors of 2012 was financials. it would have predicted that at the beginning of 2012? is in that kind of hard for people to focus on what sectors for people to look at when you have this crowd of cliff uncertainty? >> ther
.o.p. that they should not stand in the way of a last minute deal on the fiscal cliff, democrats demanding higher tax rates on the so-called wealthy. joining us now is former investment banker carol roth. a, it seems like a total standoff and b, seems like we're headed over that cliff, it looks like it. here is the question for you, carol, if we go over the that cliff what happens to the markets? >> well, stuart, i think if we go over the cliff, the markets are going to react negatively, they reacted negatively the last time we revisited the debt ceiling for tarp, so, i don't think that the markets are going to be particularly happy, but i don't know that it's necessarily for the right reasonss i to think that we're going to get a deal here, but i think it's going to end up happening late january, maybe middle of january, but at the end. day, stuart, it doesn't solve any of our problems. stuart: i agree, i agree. >> and i'm so frustrated that we're 13 months in, we've had 13 months to figure it out and we're at the 11th hour. stuart: everybody is. the mood of the country, furious nothing is happening
way to say merry christmas to you ♪ >> well, we have no deal on the fiscal cliff and the president is vacationing in hawaii. not bad. and here is his response, by the way, to abc's jake tapper from the news conference last week and asked the president about his first four years in office. here was the president's response and i have to quote him here. i've been president of the united states dealing with the worst economic crisis since the great depression and the auto industry on the verge of collapse, two wars and i don't think i've been on vacation. he is now. >>. >> he is new and give mimm a break, it's christmas eve and it looks bad when he everyone is sitting around waiting for a deal to get done in congress if he's the leader of the vacation and got to set an example to some extent. david: maybe you could go to somewhere in maryland or something, but to go all the way to hawaii for a brief break, are you okay with that, adam? >> i've been to maryland and i would choose hawaii. david: but you don't have air force one. >> no, the bottom line, the president is sitting in the ca
the fiscal cliff and kick the can down the road, that's going to happen anyway. >> steve, no deal, bad deal? i kind of feel like i'm playing poker. what do you think? >> i can't believe it, but i agree with jim. the most deficit reduction is gog toome from no deal. and that's what we need. that's what this economy needs, the biggest threat to economic growth, if the deficit and the debt, 4 trillion, everybody talks about it as some sort of grand bargain. it's barely a start. this isn't a fiscal cliff, it's a fisca bunny hill, let's slide down it. >> if we slide down, jonas, in the first week, people are going to open up the paycheck and see less money there. i don't think that people understandhat at this point. >> people get used to tax cs, that's the problem. shoort-term expiring tax cuts, including the payroll tax cut. you know, it's not the best way to solve a problem, but th cliff is the result of not coming up with deals and they're not going to come up with battery deal, if it's negotiated it's nothe ideal way to solve it outfter deficit. we'd like t gradually raise taxes and cut spe
that we don't have fiscal cliff agreement and even if we go over the cliff but once a deal is done, don't forget the risk appetite back? and that is irish for gold. >> in the last year whenever we had risk oo gold and silver participated, that would be in a healthy fashion as a small market in very little capital flowing into it we saw some influence in terms of price action. i think you do have macro issues driving concerns in the new year. central banks around the world will continue to print the bank of japan being influenced this next year will throw their hat in the ring along with the bank of england and the fed as the print and try to monetize their way to recovery. ashley: you bring up a good point. people buy gold as a hedge against inflation, but also a safe haven against a crisis. we seem to weather the financial crisis very well. we have this fiscal cliff facing us but if you look at inflation and the safe haven, i don't know, those gold fits the mold for those reasons? >> as an inflation hedge it did not keep up in real-time. more reflected today is sophisticated investigat
to the capital to deal with the fiscal cliff. schulz says the cup campaign aims to serve as a rallying cry in the days leading up to the january 1st fiscal clipped deadline and thereby increase their weight time for a cup of coffee. dennis: no word whether the deal will sue over misappropriation of that phrase. shibani: schulz taking matters of forcing a deal. dennis: i am sure that will work. nothing else has. looking really nice that christmas but it is wreaking havoc on people trying to flee their in-laws and fly home today. we are live in the fox weather center. shibani: speaking of travel we have last minute new year's deal ahead. you don't have to stay home. we have great deals. take a look at this ten year treasury. >> i am lauren simonetti with your fox business brief. there's a sea of red on wall street as washington prepares for another round of fiscal cliff wheeling and dealing. dow jones down 50 points. cablevision filed a lawsuit in the supreme court against the communications workers of america for making false claims about its internet service and britain alleging that distr
leaders right now to see if there's common ground on finding a solution to deal on the fiscal cliff. we told you minutes ago we understand from a source that the president is not unvailing a new offer, but going with the original offer which was dismissed by the g.o.p. leaders so that is one aspect of this. we're also told by an administration showrs that president obama will not be on a call to ceos scheduled at 5:30 this afternoon eastern time. the administration officials saying, quote, it's a routine call with business leaders and white house staff be giving them the latest on the fiscal cliff". lloyd will be on the call according to a source, and still working on exactly what's transpyring inside the white house. that's lloyd blankfind there, again, not part of the call with the ceos, and conferring with the chief executives on what's going on with the fiscal cliff arrangements or, you know, negotiations because, obviously, critical getting closer and closer to the fiscal cliff, session lows now, the news does not portend good news with regard to the negotiations down 158 points an
to take down the verbal warfare and cut a deal sparing the fallout of the fiscal cliff. gerri: can we get anything with any meaning before the end of the year? >> not get your hopes up on a big deal on the debt. not too many tax increases, some will be in there. avoiding the sequester, the spending cuts, that is the best thing that could happen at this point and i'm pretty optimistic person, i get up every morning thinking good things will happen but this is causing me to drink every night so i did not know if i will get there or not. gerri: you glass half-full kind of guy. i hope your champagne glasses more than half full on new year's. have a good one. while the chances of lawmakers reaching a deal seemed to be slim to none, you'll be glad to know some state lawmakers will% be warned though much more productive. here are some of our favorites. let's start with illinois. starting in 2013 and new law gives motorcyclists be okay to run red lights. leave it or not. after complaints from cyclist who say light sensors don't see the cycles. and the okay for computer-driven cars on public roads
of the fiscal cliff. it will allow congress to again take another crack at finding some way to deal with spending cuts and tax reform. gerri: stay with us, rich edson. thank you so much for that report. turning now to our guests. it's up to harry reid and mitch mcconnell, the two leaders in the senate. trying to craft something. how likely is it that there would be a bill that passed the senate and house? after all, that is the problem we have had a long. >> well, first, we have not seen any details of this package. we are talking completely off-the-cuff, but we know will not be at 250. i think carrie reed has problems from new york like dianne feinstein of california, and 250 will be a big pill to swallow. this is a fiscal cliff that we can have 50 days, 60 days down the road. it does not fix the problem if you will have these taxes on $250,000 and above. as rich edson said, this is going to be another deadline in congress has to have. i think everyone needs to get comfortable with the fact that we are going to have these kinds of stopgap last-second deals. gerri: okay, let's get t
think we are going to get some sort of deal or conclusion to this fiscal cliff by the end of the year think it's going to be a bad deal so while some are saying that we could get a rally if there's a deal reached by the president and congress, we could get a quick ramly, it's only temporary and we face the reality of the situation in the new year, and bottom line, david, when we looked at the oil reports today, there is a significant decline in energy consumption in the united states right now, and while that might be good to lower gas prices, it's not a great sign about the overall economy. david: it's not at all, but it makes the current rise in oil prices seem stranger than before. if the economy's slowing down, no reason for oil to be above 90 # for the long term. >> right. david: thank you very much. >> the trend with the retail consumer as a whole; right? david: market pam, john stevenson and larry, multimedia trust associate portfolio manager from west newton, massachusetts, and if you go to boston college, you see that name everywhere. spent a lot of money at that college. i h
the fiscal cliff. he said he is moderately optimistic that a deal could be done by december 31. congressional leaders are working on crafting a bill. certainly no grand bargain here that would improve entitlements. if they can't get a deal, the president has told harry reid to put the white house proposals up for an up or down vote. the details just keep on coming out. with us now are two guests. first, we are going to go rich edson. he is here with the very latest. tell us what you made of the president's comments. he was very direct. reporter: he was. d now he passes on to the senate. senate majory leader harry reid, senate minority leader mitch mcconnell. they are trying to come up with something that can pass the house and the senate. the president laid out a proposal earlier this evening. at the beginning of this meeting. $250,000 per year. that income would be shielded from tax increases, and now he wants an extension of unemployment insurance. that is something that essentially a nonstarter in a republican-controlled house. now he is leaving it up to the two leaders in the u.s. senate
the fiscal cliff. the president said he is optimistic. modestly optimistic, that is, that a deal can be done. here is the president. >> i still want to get this done. it's the right thing to do for our families and our businesses and for our entire economy. but for immediate action comedy hour is here. it is now. we are now at the point where in just four days, every american's tax rates are scheduled to go up by law. every american paycheck will get considerably smaller. that would be the wrong thing to do. gerri: no kidding. we have been telling you that for weeks. democrats and republicans alike should rename their parties the procrastination party. that is because like a lot of college freshman, they left their work until the last minute. including the 800 billion-dollar fiscal cliff that we have been talking about. a hundred billion dollars it hasn't happened yet. it's notlike the deadline comes as a surprise to anybody at all, the least of all congress. they were the ones who extended the bush tax cuts. originally passed back in 20,122,010 and 2012. for two years now, they have known t
't the administration want a deal, why do they want to go over the fiscal cliff? can you hear us? okay, we're going to have to fix bills hearing problems. he will take a quick break and come back with bill wilson right after this. stay tuned. you see your big picture. with the fidelity guided portfolio summary, you choose which accounts to track and use fidelity's analytics to spot trends, gain insights, and figure out what you want to do next. all in one place. i'm meredith stoddard and i helped create the fidelity guided portfolio suary. it's one more innovative reason serious investors are choosing fidelity. now get 200 free trades when you open an account. >> phil wilson can't hear us now. sorry about the difficulty with your hearing device. let's talk about the president going off the fiscal cliff or not. >> i think it is crystal clear that that is the case. his response was to offer, what he called, a small proposal. extend another $30 billion, no spending cuts and let's go back to my tax plan. that is not trying to move the ball forward. that is rubbing salt in the world. i think it is cryst
the fiscal cliff, is there any chance washington will settle on a deal? my next guest says deal or no deal, the stocks will be stuck in neutral for the next two years. oh, dear. joining us, chief investment officer of security for lou. joining us by phone. two years we will be bumbling along. whether we hit a deal or not. what makes you say that? >> it is about several things. global growth slowing, debt levels and developed economies are high. starting the next area in the government sectors. tax rates are going up, so when you combine those things together, to makes for potential recessionary conditions. we have had markets bubbling across the world in the last three and a half years, time to take a breather in my opinion. ashley: you see us and they won't get past the september highs. you truly believe that? >> i do. you go back to what the market will do, the recessionary conditions for the present and the market tends to go down, not up. we look at the recession going into one, around nine months on average, the market tends to decline over 15 to 18 months which tells me september and
are now on the senate when it returns on thursday to try to get a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. this past friday before the president left for his family vacation in hawaii, he proposed a limited measure to avoid all of the cliff when speaker boehner scuttled his plan b, the president wants to extend the bush tax cuts now for the middle class and try to avoid some of these deep spending cuts on january 1st. a white house spokesperson says today that staff discussions continue between the administration and the hill. in july you may recall the senate democrats passed an extension of the middle class tax cuts if r a year at a -- for a year at a cost of 157 billion. that bill also patched the alternative minimum tax for 2012 for 92 billion, but it went nowhere after that. senate republican leader mcconnell is critical to hammering out a deal because he can filibuster any legislation, but his spokesperson says this morning quote, nothing new to report. we don't know yet what senator reid plans to bring to the senate for a vote. >> when i listen to the president, i think the preside
on the market and it's all related to, not the-- not the fiscal cliff, it's the psychology of the fiscal cliff, and the sad truth is whether they do deal now or they thoughtfullyo a deal six months from now, really, nothing wl be accomplished. he fact is, public debt is consuming our economy. it's about 73%, regardless of what deal gets done. it will be about 73, 74% ten years from now. we've done nothing and nothing will be done to address social security, which is now officially running deficit, medicare, medicaid costs are growing ast nomically. at least do a dumb deal now and get people over theiscal cliff and kick the can down the road, that's going to happen anyway. >> steve, no deal, bad deal? i kind of feel like i'm playing poker. what do you think? >> i can't believe it, but i agree with jim. the most deficit reduction is going to come from no deal. and that's what we need. that's what this economy needs, the biggest threat to economic growth, if the deficit and the debt, 4 trillion, everybody talks about it as somome sort of grand bargain. it's barely a start. this isn't a fiscal cli
debate that is just around the corner. adam: oh, joy of joy. >> if we get some deal with the fiscal cliff which i think we will and our politicians are the worst even a blind squirrel will occasionally find a nut. they will get this done sometime by january 15th or something like that. if they do not extend the debt ceiling you will have close to armageddon at the end of february and march. adam: spencer i take issue what about our politicians being the worst. our congress is the best congress money can buy. don't forget it. jonathan he is talking about armageddon because of the debt ceiling. i would be terrified if i were not in the market putting my toe in this. there will have to be buying opportunity if people panic and sell. >> which market, adam? that can be the story of 2003 and headlines are obviously scary they have a tendency to sell stocks and buy bonds. that is the safe move. i think the reverse will be true in 2013 and stocks will look quite attractive versus bonds. a highly manipulated market government stepped in and tried to hold interest rates low. once inflation starts t
fiscal cliff talks and the clouds overhead, wouldn't it be nice to take a vacation, even better, one that's priced well, a bargain. coming up travelocity senior editor lets us in on deals for new year's eve and what's going to be hot for 2013. looking forward to that. david: we just found out we will probably be working on new year's eve and so are the people in the white house. the president is back there, trading the heat of the sun in hawaii going to the heat in washington. steve forbes will be coming up later in the hour. shibani: we will tell you what drove the markets today with today's data down load. stocks gaining momentum in the last hour of trading crawling back from triple digit losses down about 150 points following reports that the house will return to washington on sunday, but that late rally wasn't enough to lift stocks into positive territory, with all three major indices closing lower for the fourth day in a row. materials, financials, amongst the day's top worst performing sectors i should say. new home sales surging to strongest level in more than two years. sales jump
. house republicans are calling on the senate to pass their various proposals dealing with the fiscal cliff. the senate majority leader says it is up to the house to pass the senate plan. >> so i say to mr. speaker, take the escape we have left you. put the economic fate of the nation ahead of your own fate as speaker of the house. millions of middle class families are nervously watching, waiting and counting down the moments until our taxes go up. >> senate minority leader mitch mcconnell is expected to take the senate floor a few minutes from now. he has been saying his office has been saying throughout the day when senate democrats offer a plan, republicans will review it. so republicans are very much waiting for democrats to offer a new type of fiscal cliff proposal. democrats are saying to republicans in the house, they should just pass that bill that passed the senate earlier this year, one that extends tax rates for families earning less than $250,000 a year. so very much bit of a stalemate going on here in washington as we move ever closer to the deadline. back to you. ashley:
to washington to work out a deal on the fiscal cliff or is he? does he really want us to go over? and specifically what would happen if we do? we will ask former clinton strategist doug show hen in just schoen in a fewminutes and the y that isn't. find out exactly how much in just a couple of minutes. can your hearing aid do this? lyric can. lyric can. lyric can. lyric by phonak is the world's only 24/7, 100% invisible hearing device. it's tiny. but lyric's not just about what you can't see. it's about what it can do. lyric can be worn 24/7 for up to four months, without battery changes. incredibly easy to live with, lyric can be worn showering, sleeping and exercising. in fact, you might forget it's there at all. call for a risk--free trial. and you'll see lyric can also give you exceptionally clear, natural sound in quiet and noisy environments because of how it works with your ear's own anatomy. (testimonial section) (testimonial section) (testimonial section) did you know, 94% of people who use lyric would recommend lyric to a friend or loved one. can your hearing aid do all
hill they can do so again. >> less than 26 hours from what everyone calls a fiscal cliff. it would be comprehensive big package we hear them talk about, the big compromise that speaker boen and the president had worked out a year and a half ago? >> if you want what is known a as the grand bargain you would likely get in two steps. a small down payment, a tax rate increase and some of the spending measures and some of the other tax measures and perhaps instructions for the next six to eight months to congress to work on entitlement and spending reform and broader tax reform package. but all those specific details when you talk about entitlements and spending on the bigger side. $3-4 trillion deal that would have to be filled in over the next year. >> all right. rich, we appreciate it. just a reminder, 5:00 a.m., cheryl casone will have the latest on overseas trading but also any potential deal or leak that has a deal may be in the works. find out right here on the fox big network. fox business network team starting here at 5:00 a.m. here in new york city. that wraps it right now. we
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